В сообщениях от журналистов встречается как "all five crew members", так и "Five U.S. special operations troops aboard". Второе со ссылкой на заявление официальных лиц.EUCOM said all five crew members were killed...
Может кто знает: какое понятие вкладывается в термин crew members на воздушном судне? Тем более - на военном, где часть лиц на борту его покидает для выполнения наземной операции.
Может ли на вертолете быть 5 crew members? Другое дело на заправщике. ИМХО.
Почему нет? На Ми-26 экипаж- 5 человек. На Ми-12 вообще 6. Если есть какие то работы с внешней подвеской, то запросто.Может ли на вертолете быть 5 crew members?
Тут, предположим из-за нюансов понимания терминологии, и появляется вопрос.В сообщениях от журналистов встречается как "all five crew members", так и "Five U.S. special operations troops aboard". Второе со ссылкой на заявление официальных лиц.
Наиболее точный перевод слова aircraft - воздушное судно. То есть, первоначальное сообщение от НАТО с этим словом нашими журналистами было неверно истолковано.Еще не определились, не то самолет, не то вертолет...
Наиболее точный перевод слова aircraft - воздушное судно. То есть, первоначальное сообщение от НАТО с этим словом нашими журналистами было неверно истолковано.
Для конкретности:"Как следует из нового сообщения Европейского командования вооруженных сил США (USEUCOM), катастрофу потерпел самолет - топливозаправщик, погиб экипаж самолета."
Если было сказано, как сказано здесь, то вряд ли топливозаправщиком мог быть вертолет да еще со спецназом. Так что здесь толование было адекватное. ИМХО.
В той статье даже был анализ возможной причины, связанной с топливной системой нового самолета, проблемы с которой были зафиксированы и ранее.
Еще более конкретно (о вертолете) пишет NYT:Для конкретности:
Statement: Five Servicemembers Killed in U.S. Military Aircraft Mishap in Mediterranean
By U.S. European Command Public Affairs , United States European Command Nov 12, 2023
During a routine air refueling mission as part of military training, a U.S. military aircraft carrying five service members suffered a mishap and crashed into the Mediterranean Sea. All five of the service members onboard the aircraft were killed.
Out of respect for the affected families, and in accordance with Department of Defense policy, the identities of the crewmembers are being withheld until 24 hours after next of kin notifications have been completed.
Search and rescue efforts began immediately, including nearby U.S. military aircraft and ships.
Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the fallen. An investigation into the crash is underway.
Five members of the U.S. Army Special Operations forces have died in a helicopter crash in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, American officials said on Sunday.
The troops were crew members of an MH-60 Black Hawk helicopter that was on a refueling training mission late Friday when the aircraft crashed off the coast of Cyprus, three U.S. officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational details. The crash is under investigation, they said.
The Pentagon has quietly dispatched to Cyprus commando teams from the Joint Special Operations Command, including the Army’s Delta Force and the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, to stand by in case they are needed to help evacuate American citizens from the region.
The commandos are also trained in hostage rescue operations. About a dozen or so American hostages were seized when Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, but Biden administration officials have indicated they have no plans to put American boots on the ground in the densely populated Gaza Strip, where the Israel military is now conducting major ground operations.
The helicopter crew members who died were members of the Army’s elite 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, known as the Night Stalkers, and are among the aviators assigned to ferry the commandos on clandestine missions.
Вертолета с самолетом. Они умеют вертолеты из самолетов заправлять.Кто кого и чем refueling?
Автоудаление.
Да, нашел:Вертолета с самолетом. Они умеют вертолеты из самолетов заправлять.
Вероятно из-за этого:А почему в статье вертолет назван MH-60 Black Hawk?
The MH-60 series of medium helicopters are based on UH-60 Black Hawk airframes.
They pack a sophisticated array of sensors and defensive systems that allow them to carry out their mission of infil, exfil and resupply of Special Operations Forces.
The Department of Defense announced today the deaths of five U.S. Army Special Operations aviation Soldiers killed during routine flight training as a result of a helicopter crash, Nov. 10, 2023 in the Mediterranean Sea. There are no indications the crash was caused by enemy / hostile actions.
The MH-60 Blackhawk was conducting aerial refueling training when the aircraft experienced an in-flight emergency resulting in the crash.
The deceased are:
Chief Warrant Officer 3 Stephen R. Dwyer, 38 of Clarksville, Tennessee
Chief Warrant Officer 2 Shane M. Barnes, 34, of Sacramento, California
Staff Sgt. Tanner W. Grone, 26, of Gorham, New Hampshire
Sgt. Andrew P. Southard, 27, of Apache Junction, Arizona
Sgt. Cade M. Wolfe, 24, of Mankato, Minnesota.
Our thoughts and prayers remain with the families of the fallen. The U.S. Army's Combat Readiness Center is conducting an investigation into the incident.
Aircraft включает в себя самолеты вертолеты автожиры и дирижабли. А вот в процессе перевода оно стало вдруг именно самолетом.